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Yes, we ditched vBulletin 4 and regret deeply upgrading. It wasnt the cost that made us work so hard to use it although that was a factor in us trying so hard to make it work for us. I have just always been the kind of person that goes for the best and in the past, vBulletin software was the best.

I was very disappointed in this release.

The CMS you gave us isnt a CMS at all, its like a cheap newspaper script. A lot of people would have rather seen vBulletin allow easy integration with Joomla or at least a CMS that had some functionality other than straight articles with some simple blocks down the side. VBulletin's CMS is ugly, blocky, plain and lacks even rudimentary means of customization.

The forum is slow and uses too many queries. Members that had older computers had a hard time navigating the overly busy layout that was STOCK. While the CMS was by far the biggest disappointment for me, the forum software itself was a letdown. Skinning it to look like anything but recolored stock is a nightmare and gave it inexplicable bugs. (example: turning on "store CSS as files" would make some things work and other things error, turning it off has the same result.)

So I gave it time. Used it. Added stuff, took stuff away, tried to pare down the add ons to decrease load times but it just wasn't working. So once again we have installed Joomla and PHPBB3 and functionality is better, looks have improved greatly and load time is down to 3 seconds.

Maybe vBulletin 4 is good for programmers or people who really understand the coding? I'm not either of those people. I just run a website for my gaming buddies and your software no longer seems made for someone like me or my visitors.